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  • #46
    I miss having the all stars at fremont especially speedweek. I never went to all the speedweek shows but did attica fremont wcs regular.
    I like seeing the all stars at the tracks in Ohio thru the season.
    Also see several drivers continuing with being outlaws and not joining the series for points.
    Really makes it interesting when those drivers show up.
    Regional local Ohio series like OSCS OVSCS did bring different drivers and helped the pay. Not sure if they will be around this year. FAST was only good for Attica and Fremont and was not good to Lakeville, WCS and other Ohio where you used to see those cars show up here and there in the past.
    Now if they become a traveling local series adding in more ohio tracks that could help tracks.
    They would need more organization working with tracks so not a repeat of the Mansfield marathon.
    mansfield and fast should have learned from that.
    The tracks need to survive on their weekly shows to then have big shows.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by ErocWolverine View Post
      The numbers for following the FAST series has went down since they start traveling a lot more so not sure they want to keep doing that because it might turn into what happened to the OSCS series which was basically nothing more than a couple of guys that ran the entire series and actually hurt the sprint car programs at their home tracks as well.
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      If you saw my earlier comments the proposed races I suggested would be the same amount of travel but with additional sponsor dollars backing to increase the purses to about $3500-$4000 to win and more through the field, and a point fund that's about 80-90% of ASCoC. You would get the guys who like to travel a bit but not as much as the ASCoC like Philo, Lee Jacobs, and Palker to run the series I imagine. Have 5 weekends be Attica/Fremont, 1 Limaland/Waynesfield, 1 or 2 Mansfield/Wayne Co, 1 Lernerville/Sharon, maybe even 1 Southern weekend to Atomic/Musk Co/Portsmouth? If the events are coupled together more drivers would be likely to follow it as they can stay at a hotel overnight and race in the same area the next day. Yes you'd lose some truly local drivers who already don't go to the few traveling events the FAST series has but they'd still be at all of the Attica Fremont races anyways.

      I'm not saying I could be a good promoter, but a series with a small amount of pull that could help promote sprint car racing at the various OH areas would I believe strengthen the region further. It would not be the same real concept as a fast series. But a small regional series like the MOWA or NOSA.
      2018 Race Counter: 17
      Atomic (1), Attica (5), Mansfield (3), Wayne Co. (1), Fremont (2), Montpelier (1), Eldora (1), Waynesfield (1), Kokomo (1), Limaland (1)

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      • #48
        Good news is for the tracks that put effort into the programs and facilities the past years, they survived for this year and seem to have the crowd to support the all star shows.
        The tracks that had specials not affiliated with the all stars also seemed to do well.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by RRacer70 View Post
          Good news is for the tracks that put effort into the programs and facilities the past years, they survived for this year and seem to have the crowd to support the all star shows.
          The tracks that had specials not affiliated with the all stars also seemed to do well.
          Agree ... and both can survive doing their own thing, but the problem becomes when they try and compete against each other to make the fans decide one way or the other.

          You see tracks in PA upgrading their facilities big-time over there and I just can't understand how are they doing it while in Ohio fans seem to think tracks are struggling to just get by. I see Susky speedway doing some pretty impressive things which their track facilities looked like a major of Ohio's where they are decent, but haven't had many upgrades in a very long time. They have improved the concessions, restrooms, lighting, track, parking, and even the pit areas over the last couple of years to where drivers are now not complaining about that track, but asking them to have more 410 races. Seen the same thing with Port Royal with all the upgrades they have done and making it probably the best PA track right now.

          Maybe because I am not in PA and looking from afar, but it seems like some of those tracks at least work together a little bit and aren't competing or making fans choice as much as what happens in Ohio. They also seem to be raising their purses as well because they have seen some of their drivers starting to venture out to other areas and they don't like seeing that at all. That is one reason why they started their own speedweek shows and made them the same time as Ohio's just so drivers wasn't leaving the area for a week. Really think Ohio needs to upgrade facilities at some of their tracks along with raising purses especially at the local level. We saw a lot of western PA guys go on the All-Star tour last year not because they were good or ready to do it, but to at least try and make it work and they was tired of racing for the smaller amount of purse that seemed to be the norm in western PA.

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          • #50
            Yet I'd say from purely a competition standpoint the Ohio Local sprints are in a much better place than PA. Higher car counts and more young talent. There is a few out in PA (Rahmer, Macri, Zearfoss) but overall Seems we have more young talent coming up. In addition to way more cars. As long as a track has bathrooms and a place to put my butt I really don't worry to much how it looks like although it's a nice plus.
            2018 Race Counter: 17
            Atomic (1), Attica (5), Mansfield (3), Wayne Co. (1), Fremont (2), Montpelier (1), Eldora (1), Waynesfield (1), Kokomo (1), Limaland (1)

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Rich Farmer View Post
              I find it funny how I manage to get the blame for Mansfield not having an All Star event. I will also be to blame for Wayne County only having 3 events this year and Atomic with just one event in 2018. Over the last couple of years I have been accused of trying to start a FAST Speedweek this is not true however it has made me think what that could look like compared the current one.

              Sanction fee last known to me $9500 per night so lets say mother nature is kind and they get 7 events of the 9 in that is 66,500 then lets add some manufacturer funds 15,750 that is 82,250 without a single sponsor one or the weeks percentage of the annual commitments of the series. That number would be roughly 12% of the gross for the season. So I think it is safe to assume that we could get to 100K pretty easy for the week with all that included. So now where does it go....... Tow Money lets be generous giving to the 15 followers of the series and give them 250 per night so 3750 remember 7 nights 26,250 leaving 73,750 yet to spend. Let's now pay that points fund as of last season $3000 that takes us to 70,750. Advertising is done by the tracks and the remaining cost from an event falls onto the tracks. I know that the staff helps run the event and so forth just keep in mind that most all the tracks on the schedule race weekly and have staff for that. So 70,750 isn't bad to cover the staff for a weeks work.

              So let's now look at what a Farmer program would look like and you can tell me what I am stupid enough to have missed. Lets reduce the sanction fee by 4000 to 5500 so we get the same 7 nights mother nature provided that get us to 38,500 and we will also try for the same manufacturer funds of 15,750. I feel that we could raise 10,500 in sponsors let's face it I am not a super star who can offer a name on my many time outlaw championship team nor can I bring funds from NASCAR to my series. So this gives us working capitol of 64,750 so what can we do with this. Lets pay the same 250 tow money but since we have such a good following for the week let's pay the top 20 in Speedweek points not series points that is 35,000 that leaves us with 29,750. Here is where it gets good people points fund for the week is 26,125 that pays 5000 to the winner and 500 to the 24th car for the week not a bad way to go I think. So we do have a couple bucks left over at 3625 that money would cover travel and rooms for the staff to assist as needed. The 4000 that the tracks saved could do a few things one reduce ticket cost by a couple bucks per person or they could do some entertaining things for fans or they could do a bit of both.


              Since I have been blamed for this many times that is how I would operate Ohio Sprint Speedweek. I have always raced, owned cars, and promoted events for the love of the sport never for the money. I have been lucky enough to win as a driver also as a car owner with many great drivers I have also won several promoter awards nominated from my peers. I have nothing to prove in this sport and nothing to gain but more work. I have held off and not said a word while my name has been drug through the mud for something that is not facts. There are many great people in this sport who give all they have to compete and to attend so tell me why we can't give some back to them

              Farmer

              Wayne County has 4 Allstar shows not 3.

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              • #52
                Farmer

                Thanks for setting the record straight.

                Just as I suspected, EROC doesn't know what he is talking about like usual.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by ErocWolverine View Post

                  Agree ... and both can survive doing their own thing, but the problem becomes when they try and compete against each other to make the fans decide one way or the other.

                  You see tracks in PA upgrading their facilities big-time over there and I just can't understand how are they doing it while in Ohio fans seem to think tracks are struggling to just get by. I see Susky speedway doing some pretty impressive things which their track facilities looked like a major of Ohio's where they are decent, but haven't had many upgrades in a very long time. They have improved the concessions, restrooms, lighting, track, parking, and even the pit areas over the last couple of years to where drivers are now not complaining about that track, but asking them to have more 410 races. Seen the same thing with Port Royal with all the upgrades they have done and making it probably the best PA track right now.

                  Maybe because I am not in PA and looking from afar, but it seems like some of those tracks at least work together a little bit and aren't competing or making fans choice as much as what happens in Ohio. They also seem to be raising their purses as well because they have seen some of their drivers starting to venture out to other areas and they don't like seeing that at all. That is one reason why they started their own speedweek shows and made them the same time as Ohio's just so drivers wasn't leaving the area for a week. Really think Ohio needs to upgrade facilities at some of their tracks along with raising purses especially at the local level. We saw a lot of western PA guys go on the All-Star tour last year not because they were good or ready to do it, but to at least try and make it work and they was tired of racing for the smaller amount of purse that seemed to be the norm in western PA.
                  When Larry Kemp was at Eldora and before the series was purchased tracks worked very close together and all got along just fine. We supported one another on weekends and scheduling. The truth is that a book could be written on the inner politics of this stuff. Eroc I appreciate your thoughts however you have no clue how this program works today or how it worked in the past. There is so much potential in Ohio racing that is being held back. Today there is more cars than in a long time we have had weekends where there was 100 winged 410 racing in Ohio we have the healthiest 410 count in the country and if people would be willing to work for the betterment of the sport and not all about the money then the sport would grow even more. Teams and fans would really benefit which would also allow the tracks to benefit. I have done this long enough to see how good it can be. I have sat in Ohio promoters meetings where some great things happened for fans and teams alike sad we have lost that as some feel it is fun to turn good people against others.

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                  • #54
                    All great points Rich but it is still the 2nd best thing going. Until the cars and fans stop supporting the series or a better series comes along, nothing will change.

                    The OSCS should merge with FAST, have a north and a south points fund, and tie in joint races like was done last year for bigger shows.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Jay72c View Post
                      All great points Rich but it is still the 2nd best thing going. Until the cars and fans stop supporting the series or a better series comes along, nothing will change.

                      The OSCS should merge with FAST, have a north and a south points fund, and tie in joint races like was done last year for bigger shows.
                      It would be hard to have a separate north and south fund if that were to happen. Currently the FAST Series is to help support the weekly racer that now and then can go to a new place on an off weekend it is not set up to compete with a traveling series.

                      I will agree that solely based on purse and points fund that the ASCoC have the second best paying deal. As a car owner I doubt that it has the second best earning deal come season end. Cost alot of money to run up and down the road. Many of these teams go to some pretty stout places with some very stout weekly cars. With the teams having limited time at some of these tracks it is hard to get the speed needed to run well enough to make the money needed to cover the cost. I hope that the ASCoC have a great future even if they don't race at my place. I stood by the brand because the history means so much to sprint car racing in our area. People have different thoughts, views, and opinions that is what makes everyone who they are I am just glad that when Tony shared his thoughts to NASCAR they didn't send him packing from their series, because the racing world would have missed out of watching a great talent behind the wheel.

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                      • #56
                        Correction you mean Sandusky County Fairs Fremont Speedway place after all you sold it remember you sold out.

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                        • #57
                          Bring back the Renegades. LOL. Renegade Ressurection WHOOO YAHHHHH !!!!!!!!!

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                          • #58
                            I'm hearing some MavTV News.
                            2018 Racin' Chasin' Counter: 30-(3)-Attica, (3)-Ocala, (2)-Mansfield, (2)-Volusia, (3)-Sharon, (2)-Wayne Co., (2)-Waynsfield, (2)-Atomic, (1)-Williams Grove, (1)-Port Royal, (1)-Eldora, (1)-Outlaw (NY), (1)-Stateline (NY), (1)-Weedsport, (1)-Plymouth (WI), (1)-Lernerville, (1) Plymouth (IN), (1) Dirt Oval @ Route 66), (1) Chicagoland: (6-Rain Outs)
                            2017 Racin' Chasin' Counter: 57 Races @ 30 Tracks; (7-Rain Outs)
                            2016 Racin' Chasin' Counter: 59 Races @ 28 Tracks; (15-Rain Outs)
                            2015 Racin' Chasin' Counter: 56 Races @ 25 Tracks; (12-Rain Outs)

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                            • #59
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                              • #60
                                Hmmm. This is intriguing.
                                2018 Race Counter: 17
                                Atomic (1), Attica (5), Mansfield (3), Wayne Co. (1), Fremont (2), Montpelier (1), Eldora (1), Waynesfield (1), Kokomo (1), Limaland (1)

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